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11/21/03

 

 

CONVERSATION WITH AN EVOLUTIONIST

 

 

  

By J. Parnell McCarter

Puritan News Service

 

 

Recently I had a conversation with an evolutionist.  It started by his comment that Neanderthals were not humans.  So I asked him why he thought they were not, and whether he believed they could not breed with (other) humans.  Here was his response:

I am getting my info from several programs I have watched on the Science channel. New findings have been forthcoming over the last couple of years. There is some small amount of evidence found that shows some interbreeding did, in fact, occur, but it was rare. The genetic difference was not enough to prevent this, but perhaps they just kept to themselves. There was trade, but not shared communities. This is based on bones found in caves in Europe, specifically areas of France. You have to look at a statistical sample basis of how many they thought were alive, verses, how many bones where found. At any rate, the findings show that the Neanderthals became extinct around 30,000 years ago. But they did live among modern day homo sapiens for thousands of years. Fascinating and changes modern anthropology considerably.”

 

 

My reply to him went like this:

 

“The fact that they could and even did inter-breed some with (other) humans implies that they are essentially humans, irrespective of how scientists may **choose** to classify them.  Humans cannot breed with non-humans, like cats, monkeys, and dogs, and when they try in sport to do so,  it is called bestiality.  But rest assured, no human-cat or monkey-human will be born from the effort.  But humans can breed with other humans.

 

Physical evidence indicates too that they were just as intelligent as (other) humans.  If anything, their average cranial size was larger.  They conducted burials, implying they had awareness of the after-life and religion.

 

A pigmy in Africa has just as significantly different features from me as the Neanderthal has with me.  Nevertheless, we are all humans, and we **can** all inter-breed, if we so choose.

 

May I suggest that their different physical features would, however, have been a distinct disadvantage when facing an overwhelming number of white Indo-Europeans invading Europe.  They were easily identifiable as another tribe.

 

On what basis are you confident that they died out **30,000 years** ago?”

 

 

His reply:

 

“My, but you have done your homework! What I am quoting from is the unending stream of documentaries I watch on the various Science channels. Latest findings are saying the 30,000 years and that is based on fossil findings.

They make the statement that they were a different species, but perhaps only a sub-species. The great difference in genetic material is what has pointed to the remarkable conclusions that they were on a different line of evolution. 

 

 

My response:

 

“I went to Princeton with full faith in what the "scientific authorities" were saying about ages and macro-evolution, and I came out skeptical of their pronouncements. I went there to study microbiology, and I ended up graduating in philosophy trying to figure out why their enterprise was yielding questionable conclusions. The data and their pronouncements about the data are distinct.  Obviously, fossils do not literally say, "I am 30000 years old".  Rather, various techniques such as radioactive dating are applied to the subject material to try to ascertain its age, based upon various assumptions about the starting composition, rate of decay, etc.  But what if the techniques yield contrary results, as I noted they generally do?  Then one falls back upon the  model itself, and seeks to explain the contrary results within the framework of the model. The "scientific authorities" never allow one to question the evolutionary model itself. The bottom-line is, the model itself is a matter of pre-suppositional faith.  That's not bad in itself, but something the "scientific authorities" generally do not mention to students.

 

But let me get more to the point of what we are discussing here: humans.  Human history is the branch of human knowledge that records events in writing.  Now how far back do you think human history goes?  100000 years?  30000 years?  No, it actually only goes back around 6000 years (with the Sumerian civilization).  That means the evolutionary model is asking me to believe that humans just as intelligent as ourselves were burying one another, making tools, verbally communicating with one another in some manner, even drawing, etc. for thousands of years, but not writing (including not writing history).  Is that really credible?  And how far apart are a drawing of a fish and a bird and a man from a written symbol of a fish and a bird and a man?

 

And this is not to mention the fact that I am supposed to believe two non-humans bred and had a human.  Now how many times has that been observed in history or in a laboratory?  But the retort goes like this: 'but the fossil record shows...'  So how many fossils do we have of two non-human parents and a human offspring?  100? 20?  1?  No, zero.

 

Oh, and I am not supposed to believe that Jesus Christ rose bodily from the dead, even though it was predicted years before it happened and eye-witnessed at the time by hundreds (from which we have multiple historical accounts)?  Nor am I to regard what he said about human origins, which would explain that human history goes back around 6000 years due to humans being around about 6000 years?  That would confound the model, would it not?

 

So now we come back to that pre-suppositional faith I mentioned earlier.  I realize man cannot avoid pre-suppositional faith.  But is the evolutionary model the most credible model to place one’s faith in?”